View Full Version : What type of creatine do you use?
PTAaron
10-13-2007, 10:31 AM
I know creatine is one of the "standard" supplements of most people that work out these days... just curious what type of creatine you use now that there are so many different variations.
Mahaffje
10-13-2007, 11:27 AM
Ethyl Ester myself, although I am not on it at the moment. I'll start using it again once my competition is over with.
Big Donkey
10-13-2007, 12:02 PM
mono. I don't get any bloat, it's cheap and it does not taste bad.
SarahPT
10-13-2007, 12:05 PM
I used mono when I used it, but I haven't used it for a while.
Squatch
10-13-2007, 12:22 PM
When I use creatine, it's CEE.
Yettamae
10-13-2007, 02:25 PM
Size On by Gaspari Nutrition.
Keith
10-13-2007, 04:02 PM
I have used monohydrate fopr a brief peroid of time going back 10 years ago. Now I use CEE.
KajedAnimal
10-13-2007, 04:18 PM
I use monohydrate when I do use it because it's cheap and you can use a lot of it when needed. I haven't used it in years though.
mikeyb
10-13-2007, 06:33 PM
Tri-creatine malate
PTAaron
10-13-2007, 07:34 PM
For the record, since I didn't answer my own question: Right now it is Tri-Creatine Malate, but that is only because I got 300g of it free with an order. Usually it has been CEE.
fitcop811
10-13-2007, 08:59 PM
I use SizeOn which has Creatine Gluconate. I am pleased with the results of it so far and I am on my second can of it. The Lemon flavor is delicious.
Mosami
10-14-2007, 11:46 AM
Kre-Alkalyn, liquid before and capsules after work-out.
Andy James G
10-20-2007, 06:14 PM
Creatine Ethyl Ester
KajedAnimal
10-20-2007, 07:10 PM
Kre-Alkalyn, liquid before and capsules after work-out.
Yeah I got some sample of those in at the expo, they seem to work well. I should have bought some there like you suggested.
Shawty
10-21-2007, 11:18 AM
A blend of Dicreatine malate and creatine chelate (Green MAGnitude by Controlled Labs) when I do use creatine that is!
mouth
10-21-2007, 03:54 PM
i've only used kre-alkalyn (caps)...but i just got two different kinds of CEE that i'm looking forward to trying out!
antihero
11-06-2007, 04:45 PM
Creatine ethyl ester in caps, cause it tastes like battery acid when its on the powder form, and nothing can cover that up in my opinion.
Can somebody explain me the difference between all these?
PTAaron
11-06-2007, 09:22 PM
Creatine ethyl ester in caps, cause it tastes like battery acid when its on the powder form, and nothing can cover that up in my opinion.
I'm used to the taste now... I almost like the way it tastes mixed in with my waxy maize starch!
PTAaron
11-06-2007, 09:25 PM
Can somebody explain me the difference between all these?
They are all chemically changed versions of creatine monohydrate - all supposed to be "THE BEST" way to take creatine.
Monohydrate is not water soluable, so the other versions of it make it actually dissolve in water so that it is more easily absorbed and less likely to just pass right on through.
Each version comes with all sorts of claims as to why it is the best, and the a lot of companies spend a lot of time making up "facts" about other products to make theirs sound better.
antihero
11-07-2007, 01:59 AM
I'm used to the taste now... I almost like the way it tastes mixed in with my waxy maize starch!
why are you mixing it with waxy maize starch, you do know that WMS shouldnt be mixed with anything because it will slow the absorption of it.
PTAaron
11-07-2007, 07:21 AM
Everything I have read has said that 10 to 15g of additional 'stuff' has almost no effect. As long as there is enough water present. The protocol that seems to be recommended by the people that know what they are doing is: WMS with creatine followed 20 minutes later by protein with simple carbs.
PTAaron
11-07-2007, 09:11 AM
why are you mixing it with waxy maize starch, you do know that WMS shouldnt be mixed with anything because it will slow the absorption of it.
From troponin:
The high molecular weight, "pulls" the WM through the gut, into the small intestine, where the bulk of carbohydrate metabolism occurs.
This "pull" causes an osmolic effect, drawing water with it, allowing more water to be drawn into the muscle as well. (you may feel dehydrated for a bit after taking WM)
Studies have shown conclusively that there is increased glycogen synthesis for around 2 hours after ingestion of WM as opposed to glucose.
It is VERY effective at glycogen restoration post workout. The faster you can restore glycogen, the faster you can shut of catabolism, and the more likely you will be to use the protein you ingest for synthesis of new muscle tissue.
The molecular weight of the WM can also increase absorption of other nutrients that would be consumed pwo. IE: creatine, leucine, taurine, etc.
The concern with this is, the added nutrients may effect the total moleculare weight of the "meal." (amino acids are MUCH lower in molecular weight than WM) This may effect some of the benefits of the high molecular weight.
In my self research, I have noticed a decrease in the absorption rate of WM with the addition of other nutrients. I've found that once the total amount of added ingredients reaches about 20-25g per 75g of WM, there is a change in blood sugar levels, as opposed to pure WM, indicating to me that the WM isn't being "pulled" through the gut as quickly.
I limit my post workout additions to WM to a very limited amount of specific nutrients (leucine and creatine)
The rest of my protein is consumed about 20min later.
WM is also VERY beneficial when "carbing up" precontest. I feel it is most beneficial early on in the carb up, when water intake is still high. This is due to WM pulling a lot of water with it. Once water is decreased (less than 20oz per 75g ingested) there will likely be a decrease in the osmolic effect of WM.
I personally feel that WM ingestion while water intake is high, actually INCREASES the effectiveness of a "shitload," as there is potentially a more pronounced concentration gradient of water inside the muscle cell to water outside the muscle cell.
When sodium and carbs are reintroduced, the sodium must attract water. Because there is a decrease in sodium concentration of the plasma, water is drawn to there with the carbs. Glycogen storage requires carbs, sodium, and water.
The body is unlikely to use water from the muscle cell, as the concentration gradient wouldnt' benefit from this, if the water is just going to go back into the muscle cell. So, the sodium is more likely to pull water from the subcutaneous space......DRYING YOU OUT.
From Skip:
You back up exactly how I feel about the protein and the WM postworkout. I am starting to see with my "experiments" that a small amount of "stuff" added to the WM does work but again, there seems to be a point where it slows. I have not nailed the amount yet so I am going to go up to around the 25g area and play there to see if it backs up your experiences, as well.
The addition of WM to Skiploading is showing impressive results. I concur that water has to be high for optimal effect from the WM for loading. I have tried several times to use it for a last minute load with a much shorter time frame and even though it still worked well given the short window of time that I was working with, it worked nothing like it does when copious amounts of water can be used without concern.
The effects of WM are impressive for loading but without plenty of water, the effect is significantly reduced.
Skip
RaptorMkII
11-07-2007, 09:25 AM
Right now, the only creatine I use is the CEE in my BuzzSaw
I'm thinking of starting a list of supps to get after I get some money :pray:
*w00t! new smilies*
PTAaron
11-07-2007, 09:37 AM
*w00t! new smilies*
Adding them slowly... should be a lot more by tomorrow morning ;)
Elvis
11-07-2007, 04:36 PM
when i use it which isnt often i use Creatine Monohydrate
Balanced1
11-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Creatine Monohydrate every am prior to workout
antihero
11-13-2007, 05:34 PM
From troponin:
From Skip:
i did miss that, but at the same time you need to keep in mind that this is probably just as individualistic as anything in nutrition. the absorption rate may vary from person to person as well as how much of it they may be able to mix with other "stuff" before it slows the absorption...
MeanJoe
11-13-2007, 05:45 PM
Typically i only use Monohydrate. I have a problem with being a non-responder to certain supplements. Right now the only form of creatine i'm on is a Complex of Mono, CEE, MCC, and TMG, all of which are contained in Universal's Torrent for my post workout shake.
PTAaron
11-13-2007, 10:05 PM
How do you like Torrent? I was hoping to get in on the testing when they were looking for volunteers.
MeanJoe
11-13-2007, 10:08 PM
How do you like Torrent? I was hoping to get in on the testing when they were looking for volunteers.
I like it. Good ingredient profile, pretty good taste to it also. I would definitely say it's not good for someone on a cut or carb depleting/restriction but all in all a good supp and great bang for your buck.
Typically for me i do like "most" of the stuff Universal puts out.
PTAaron
11-13-2007, 10:59 PM
i did miss that, but at the same time you need to keep in mind that this is probably just as individualistic as anything in nutrition. the absorption rate may vary from person to person as well as how much of it they may be able to mix with other "stuff" before it slows the absorption...
Certainly.
I think the key however, as they both mentioned, is having plenty of water with it. I initially was mixing it with minimal water - and I wasn't noticing much of a difference over dextrose/malto ... as in I still felt the big bloat after downing the shake. Once I started adding a lot more water, I noticed a difference in how I felt after downing it.
antihero
11-14-2007, 04:19 AM
Certainly.
I think the key however, as they both mentioned, is having plenty of water with it. I initially was mixing it with minimal water - and I wasn't noticing much of a difference over dextrose/malto ... as in I still felt the big bloat after downing the shake. Once I started adding a lot more water, I noticed a difference in how I felt after downing it.
how much are you mixing of each?
PTAaron
11-14-2007, 08:19 AM
2 scoops in about 24oz water with 5g creatine and 1/4 tsp Beta alanine.
MeanJoe
11-14-2007, 11:25 AM
2 scoops in about 24oz water with 5g creatine and 1/4 tsp Beta alanine.
Beta-alanine is good stuff, gotta luv the nice tingly feeling you get too :dance2:
PTAaron
11-14-2007, 12:43 PM
Beta-alanine is good stuff, gotta luv the nice tingly feeling you get too :dance2:
I take about 700mg 6x per day, so I don't get that anymore. If I take more than 1.5g at a time I definitely get it again though.
Actually this morning I put the 1/4 tsp right on my tongue, and let it dissolve a bit before I washed it down with water - that made my whole mouth/lips tingle for about 15 minutes! That sucked.
MeanJoe
11-14-2007, 02:24 PM
Actually this morning I put the 1/4 tsp right on my tongue, and let it dissolve a bit before I washed it down with water - that made my whole mouth/lips tingle for about 15 minutes! That sucked.
That definitely had to be a weird feeling.
gary88
11-15-2007, 07:16 PM
Monohydrate from GNC for now. As soon as I can find some CEE, you better believe I'm buying it.
Danb21
11-29-2007, 04:08 PM
CEE for now and Iv'e used it alot in the past.