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OLYMPIAN
12-23-2007, 04:14 PM
by : Dave Palumbo.



We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true! What’s that, you need a little more evidence? Ok boys and girls, its time for today’s episode of Fun With Musculoskeletal Anatomy.
The knee has four main protective ligaments that keep the femur from displacing on the tibia (ACL, PCL, MCL, LCL). These four ligaments are most effective at their protection during full extension and full flexion. Full extension would be when you are standing; full flexion would be when there is no daylight between your hamstring and your calf. When the knee is at 90 degrees of flexion (the halfway point), these four ligaments are almost completely lax and cannot exert much if any of a protective force at the knee (Zatsiorsky V. Kinematics of human motion. 1998 - published by Human Kinetics - p.301).
Unfortunately, the position where the protective ligaments of the knee are not doing any protecting is the common recommended stopping point of a squat. Therefore, as it as it turns out, this is the exact worst place you could reverse the motion under load.
If flexibility allows (heels staying planted, torso not flexing forward past 45 degrees), then a full squat where you lower yourself all the way to the ground is far safer on the knees than the traditional half squat. Guess what joint angle most leg extension machines start at? If you said 90 degrees, give yourself a pat on your healthy knee. This makes a full squat even safer than a leg extension machine (Wilk K et al. A comparison of tibiofemoral joint forces and electromyographic activity during open and closed kinetic chain exercises. Am J Sports Med; 24(4):518-527).

nikhi19
12-23-2007, 04:17 PM
This is exactly what my bro has me do for my legs now that I'm not trying to build them up, but keep them lean, mean and ripped! He had me lower my weights and get REALLY deep in my squats and lunges so that I'm getting a full extension.

OLYMPIAN
12-23-2007, 04:20 PM
i always squatted ass to ankles, even though i had surgery on my right knee.

nikhi19
12-23-2007, 04:21 PM
i always squatted ass to ankles, even though i had surgery on my right knee.
Do you have to turn your feet out more so that your knees point out more to the side because of the surgery? Or do you just go down with knees facing straight?

OLYMPIAN
12-23-2007, 04:31 PM
not really but i do vary my stance and feet position from time to time.

Sasa
12-23-2007, 04:49 PM
i always squatted ass to ankles, even though i had surgery on my right knee.

ATA (ass to ankles ) lol

Squatch
12-23-2007, 06:04 PM
I completely agree here. There are some instances where injuries or individual body structure may limit ROM, but squatting ATG when possible will yield the best gains.

ironmaidn
12-23-2007, 06:22 PM
by : Dave Palumbo.



We’ve all heard it, if you dip below parallel during a squat, your kneecap will blow off and land in the front desk girl’s mocha latte. Well it just ain’t true!


LMAO! I totally AGREE! Could not said it better myself. So glad someone had the guts to post it. People always love to debate on how low to go on squats.


This is exactly what my bro has me do for my legs now that I'm not trying to build them up, but keep them lean, mean and ripped! He had me lower my weights and get REALLY deep in my squats and lunges so that I'm getting a full extension.

This is the secret to great legs! When I near my pre-comp training phase I do this all the time. Even with front squats I dip very, very low as I can go. Great way to get the glutes very tight!


i always squatted ass to ankles, even though i had surgery on my right knee.

I gonna try this "Ass to Ankles" thing...my low back, where I had one of my surgeries may not allow me to go this low, but I sure as heck will try! Thanks for the tip.


I completely agree here. There are some instances where injuries or individual body structure may limit ROM, but squatting ATG when possible will yield the best gains.

ATG that is the correct terminology for it. Thanks.:)

Squatch
12-23-2007, 06:23 PM
Ass to grass, ass to ankles, ass to hams...all the same: Going as low as possible in the movement.

Sasa
12-23-2007, 07:36 PM
Ass to grass, ass to ankles, ass to hams...all the same: Going as low as possible in the movement.

GALAPITM, would be too long so i'll stick with ATG and ATA :P

PTAaron
12-23-2007, 10:45 PM
I used to do parallel squats... but I had a lot less knee trouble since switching to full depth. I tell all my patients that work out to do full range now, for all of the reasons in the first post. Great post.

KajedAnimal
12-23-2007, 11:09 PM
I'm an ass to the grass man myself. I've had knee surgery on both knees too and have never had a problem with squats.

jody the trainer
12-25-2007, 08:01 AM
Great post OLY!!!